I think I prefer Shota, even though I didn't try to like either. But I only like either loli or shota as long as it's a comic (not just a single perverted pic), original and has a romantic side to it, and not just perverted. But for most part, that's hard to find. There wasn't an option like this in the poll so I chose the closest thing, o0
Children is crossing a line for me. But eh, it's drawings. As long as no real children are involved I don't don't feel it's my business to care. No one's getting hurt and you are kind of the god of your own world when you draw in my perspective. It bothers me though, really. If I could not see it anywhere ever I'd be pretty happy.
Mmmmmm sólo en ficción y aún asi sólo me gustan Akira/Rin, y cruzando Sebastian/Ciel/Claude/Alois de Kuroshitsuji. Pero en realidad viejos verdes, buscando niños... Lo digo yo que soy víctima del lolicon (luzco MUCHO menor de lo que en realidad soy, y tengo la mala suerte de que en ocasiones se me acerquen pervs u_u).
Pero como en otro comment te refieres a niños, no adolecentes... Para mi, si mucho 16 pasados xDDDDD, pero sigo prefiriendo de 18 para arriba también xD.
i only like it in fiction, and when it's not some creepy old fogey as the seme....i know it sounds terrible, and i always feel weird for it. but i don't approve of it at ALL in real life--so it's very confusing for me
I don't love it, but sometimes it's cute XD It makes me laugh that so many people get so offended by it even though those are drawings. :V It's not like pedophilia....liking shotacon or lolicon doesn't mean you go around drooling over real kids XD
I like the cute side of shota (don't really care for loli). Seeing pictures of little boys getting fucked is a little far for me. I don't mind the cute naked pictures though. Or the snuggly ones. Just seeing pictures where the invading penis is almost as big as the kid is a little.. disturbing. :/
I think there's a difference between drawn and real life. I'm a lot more tolerant when I know no actual kid's been involved, but in real life, the idea that happens to some kids makes me sick. .-.
i only like it to an extent im not crazy about it but i can appreciate it at times although i only like children with other children. well i say "children" but its more like in a child's body with a mature mind. AS LONG AS IT STAYS IN THE REALM OF FICTION fantasies should stay as just that, fantasizes
It's a guilty pleasure for some, disgusting for others. I'm not such an intolerant douche that tells people what they can and cannot right based on the norms of society much less my own. Different culture, different people as the saying goes.
Not an avid fan, but from time to time it shows up on /v/.
Well I doubt it was the same thing, I was molested everyday for five years. And my ordeal only ended three years ago so I'm still working through it. It is quite literally the worst thing I've ever gone through, and anything that reminds me of it is enough to make me start to cry.
Most shota/loli that I've seen is chock full of coercion, which is exactly what happened to me. Thus automatic dislike.
Though we've gone through similar things, like humans do we turned out differently.
While our situations aren't the same, they are quite similar.
I've so far seen very little shota/loli that wasn't consensual, which is probably why I don't have much of a problem with it, but still, I find it kind of odd to lump it all together and dislike it for that reason alone.
But I do agree that we all do turn out differently, so it's not a big deal. Your comment just caught my interest was all.
To be honest I understand "shotacon" and "lolicon" when characters aren't adults. And I mean PHYSICALLY adults (which means bieng less than 13-15 years old). In any case, in my opinion, I want guys and girls to be at least 18-20 XDU I'm not really into too young people >_>
I like them to be at least 15 because they have been around more and start to understand love and other things.
I kind of feel younger well is too young. Kind of like when your a kid EVERYONE is your friend, but when you get older you realized people are different and it's not easy to be friends with everyone.
I think younger don't fully understand it...I don't know ha ha I just read 15+
I don't mind younger around 15+ because I have a thing for high school stories. Because the society at that age is so different from adults. They are kind of trapped in the situation. I liked poor abused boys by parents or bullies because they are trapped because they are too young to live on their own, then another boy helps them out ha ha! also the society HS is such a worry about how the parents will take it, now others will treat them, how they feel about it themselves. while as adults we tend to not care and if someone has a problem with it you just stay way.
I'll read shota, but it's not really the shota aspect of it that I like. Unfortunately my favourite mangakas are shota fans and even if it's not shota the uke looks it. So since I have such a special mind I figure "well if the ukes are gonna look this way anyway what's the point?!" So I just pretend that they're older, or at least my age
The fact that they are children is far from what I like about it. But everything else is censored or so painfully vanilla that it's not even fun. Find me a mangaka that draws real men f***ing and not 'tenderly making love' and I will drop shota so fast. So far I've had no luck, only the mangaka who draws the 'appearance only' shota does things like that. For me it's all about the kinks which are available nowhere else but in shota. Sorry about the ramble
XDDDDDD cuando son mayores de 13 años me gusta, odio los lolicon shotacon que son sexo con bebes o niños que ni forma tienen aun. de 13 para arriba se me hacen cutes, igual estoy enferma lose LOL no tengo remedio
De 13 para arriba es medio comprensible porque ya por lo menos han empezado a madurar (aunque yo siga prefiriendo la gente de 18 para arriba XDU). Pero en realidad cuando digo "shotacon" y "lolicon" me refiero a niños, no adolescentes
pero es que en naruto ya vez que dicen que tiene 16, la sakura 15 años ......tambien pues los japonenes ponen niños que parecen de 18 y dicen que tienen esa edad es un poco confuso. como el alois y el ciel parecen morros de 17 años y dicen que tienen 13 XD
chale, entonces te refieres a esos niños que ni forma tienen que tienen sexo? es de mal gusto : S te digo que hasta hacen doujis que tienen sexo con bebes, esas si son pendejadas x que si esa madre te gusta vas a violar niños donde sea la neta
actually I think shotacon/lolicon might be used while talking about somebody legal just looking/posing/acting like a um.. classical shota/loli. but I understand you were thinking about only small childrens (like to 13 probably?)
I don't mind seeing shota/loli characters in nonerotic mangas/anime i think most of theme ARE nice looking at all. I read some erotic mangas with highly under aged characters. I dislike those truly cute and fluffy (usually) shota mangas. I noticed lolis are usually older just looks highly under aged and are totally retarded. I'm usually turning to those oneshot stories that have more sick and dark atmosphere of doing something wrong and I just find them more interesting then usual "omg lets f*ck in the classroom after graduation!" or something like that with barley legal boys/girls.
But I couldn't be able to watch a real child porn or even think about those manga plot comes to realization because it would be totally wrong, brutal and just ugly. :/
about mid/late teens.. a lot of people whole over a word have some kind of sex experience before 18 and I'm not sure if that is a 'wrong' thing. I had a friend who started really early (like 14? ) but she didn't seem to think it's something wrong or harmful for her because she was making it with people she trusted and loved. so I think under age teenagers sex in fiction might be ok if there is a motive/idea/nice story and reason there and non of character acts like mentally or emotionally handicapped.
Yeah, that's it, I was talking about kids, not teens.
I agree. Many shoujo and BL mangas are teen characters involved into sexual themes, I don't think that's something "wrong". I just can't bear children, which even don't have any appropiate body and aren't mature enough to have sex.
I say only shotacon, but it really depends on how far it goes. First of all, I say anything goes after they hit their teens/puberty, whichever comes later . If it's 2 preteens involved in a little shonen-ai or experimenting, I'm OK with that; but if it gets violent and/or there are adults involved, it just ain't right. And I really don't care to see anyone whose age is in the single digits. But of course, I only say all this in light of the fact that it's not real. It doesn't even look real most of the time. Anybody stupid or crazy enough to act on a violent comic or video game should be jailed anyway, sexual or otherwise. Why should the smarter, saner among us be punished with censorship? The only censorship I believe in is the kind you can grow out of.
i think they're so cute!! :3 not when they're doing sexual things, though. D: i like when there's a young/cute character that's friends with the main character in a manga, just for the cuteness. but that's it, i hate it when they're shown doing sexual acts and stuff... it isn't hot at all... (in my opinion.) it's just fictional though, so it's not really a problem i guess.. >.>
I like shotas and lolis too, especially if they're involved into cute relationships (for example, friends or brothers)... I just can't bear when they start to do adult things with those... immature bodies, it's disgusting for me =_=
This is a little interesting, because another artist I watch has been posting material explaining their standpoints on shota/loli over the past few days. And it sort of hits a little close to home, because I'm just legal and am engaged to someone eight years older than me (though our relationship did start when I was 18, so...). That being said, I guess my viewpoint on it is mixed, and I find my view on it changing as I myself get older. When I was younger and a rabid little yaoi fangirl, I'd take anything shota, as long as they were at least in their teens -- the older I get, the older I like my boys. Nowadays, I like shotacon, but only to an extent... I don't like seeing little kids being fucked -- that's not my kind of thing. I think it's interesting to explore an emotional connection between a younger person and an older person, but seeing them getting down and dirty? Not really my cup of tea. If it's love between two teenagers -- I don't mind the sexual aspect so much -- so long as they're both cognizant of their situation and consenting to one another. Older teen and young adult -- it's okay. One of my OTPs is this, actually.
But the fun part about it is that it's fiction, and terribly fantasized and idealized. Much like yaoi, it's just kind of over the top and not..real. Drawn by women for women, as they say. Sensible kids don't act like the ones in shota/loli, and I definitely don't think that liking one makes you a pedophile. The idea of being with someone really young squicks me out, frankly, and I really hate pedophiles -- I've been target to one before. But it's fictionalized; there are no ties to the real world with these characters. It's kind of like rape -- it's been turned into a sort of fantasy in manga, but that doesn't mean that the person reading it supports rape. I've never met someone who likes shota/loli that goes out and says, "oh, I want to get me a little kid to screw today"... liking it =/= pedo. :/ Sure, in some cases, it probably does mean the person is a pedophile, but you can't really say everyone is. I guess I'm rambling... I don't know -- it's okay to an extent, and it really varies based on the characters and the circumstances.
Well, the answer to this question is a little more complex than your options permitted. Does 'shotacon' apply to children specifically, or just underage boys? Because I wouldn't mind seeing a sixteen-year-old boy with a twenty-year-old. In the US, where I live, that's illegal. Does that make a pairing between them shotacon, or just naughty?
shotacon and lolicon stands for kids, not teens. At least that's how I've gotten the concept (and so many people). Having sex before being 18 is illegal here too, but people use to have their first experiences around 13 or 15.
I just figure that I have never actually seen a real child that looks, behaves or dresses ANYTHING like a loli or a shota. And to be honest, in most yaoi and yuri the characters look ridiculously young anyway, we might as well just call a spade a spade.